Today's students need to be taught how to talk - and truly listen - to each other.

R.E.A.L. equips teachers to do exactly that, using a research-backed method based in four skills: Relate, Excerpt, Ask, Listen.

Teachers + Students agree: R.E.A.L. just works!

The R.E.A.L. method for teaching communication skills alongside content has been used at 40+ leading US private schools

“I'm proud of how we have learned to listen to each other. And it's made talking so much easier. I know what to do when it is time to have a discussion and that will be helpful in jobs and meetings too.”

6th grade student

“"R.E.A.L. makes students feel powerful. It democratizes the classroom in a beautiful way and makes students responsible for creating belonging amongst each other. And it makes my job easier!"”

Ms. Pam Shulman, High School History, Blair Academy

“R.E.A.L. ensures I will hear every student’s voice, and, maybe more importantly, that every student will be heard by her classmates. That is simple but that engagement never gets old. R.E.A.L. also ties directly into analytical writing, which students appreciate, and I love. It just makes their so much writing better! I’ve talked with all of our teachers about using it next year.”

Ms. Doris Moss, 8th & 11th Grade Literature Teacher

“R.E.A.L. helps us engage with each other and everyone gets a better understanding of the text when they look at it from different points of view. Personally, I have an issue with shutting down the ideas of others without considering them, but R.E.A.L. helps with the life skill of of realizing there are multiple correct answers, multiple ways to solve a problem.”

10th Grade student

“R.E.A.L. is truly student-led. I used to think I had a discussion-based classroom, but now I see it was still teacher-directed. R.E.A.L. is different from Socratic Seminar, from Harkness, in that it empowers students to lead. It gives my girls a playbook they need!”

Robin Escobar, High School Religion, Mt. St. Joseph Academy

“I think REAL discussions serve as a draft for analytical writing, especially in how we use quotes, and they are a great place to speak your ideas and see how your peers react to it; similar to a band testing out songs at a concert before they release the studio version. ”

9th Grade Student

“At the beginning of the year, you can tell your students that they are going to learn ‘discussion skills.’ To them, that is an abstract idea and can seem daunting. R.E.A.L makes the intangible tangible and gives students concrete methods to improve discussion and conversation skills. It has been wonderful to see their confidence and ability grow this year.”

Francisco Simbana, 8th grade Literature teacher

“I've never spoken up as much as I do this year. I'm a complete introvert, but R.E.A.L. makes it so I know there is space for my voice and places like In-REAL-Time notes make it easy to get a word in. I even facilitate now, which is crazy. It also helps other people understand that when I'm quiet I'm not zoned out. I'm listening actively and now that's something our whole class values.”

11th Grade Student

“"R.E.A.L. has changed everything about how we do conversation and community in my classroom. It is a game changer. It is what I looked for - and haven't found - in Harkness for 2o years."”

Ms. Linda Rodriguez, St. Andrew's Episcopal School

Want to see R.E.A.L. in action?

Play the video below to see real students lead a R.E.A.L. discussion about a short story.

R.E.A.L. Statistics

Easy for teachers, effective for students

  • PD that works and teachers love

    97% of teachers "strongly agree" they are ready to use R.E.A.L. Discussion in their classroom after training.

    Even better? 98% recommend R.E.A.L. to a friend and 96% will use resources in their classroom again next year. Why? Because this is PD for teachers that was built by teachers and backed by research.

  • Increased confidence

    98% of students feel confident speaking up.

    But it's not just about hand-raising. After six REAL discussions, 75% of students feeling comfortable "disagreeing" and 96% report "deeper listening" to their peers.

  • Better growth mindset

    87% of students show a growth mindset towards discussion.

    Gone are the days of "I'm just bad at talking" and "I never have anything to say." With REAL, students learn different ways to contribute to conversation and how to set, achieve, and reflect on personalised goals.

Meet the Founder

Liza is a former teacher and forever teacher-at-heart.

Liza Garonzik

Liza Garonzik built R.E.A.L. Discussion after serving as a teacher and admin at premier US private schools. She studied at Harvard College (BA), University of Pennsylvania (MS), Columbia Teacher's College, and Harvard Graduate School of Education. Wherever she is, Liza is obsessed with the question of what makes discussions great — and often drives friends and family crazy by analyzing conversation patterns in her daily life.

FAQ's: we love questions!

  • What schools already use R.E.A.L.?

    Too many to list! Since its launch in 2021, R.E.A.L. Discussion is proud to have partnered with over 40 leading US-based private schools ... and that number is growing by the day! In the Fall of 2022, we are expanding and seeking our visionary international schools to be our first global partners.

  • What PD programs does R.E.A.L. Discussion offer?

    Our signature experiences are online courses - R.E.A.L. Certification, Level 1 (for classroom teachers) and R.E.A.L. Certification, Level 2 (for PD Leaders who will be trainers). We also offer virtual presentations to faculty and limited on-site engagements. We are proud to have worked with over a dozen school Associations in the US!

  • What research informs R.E.A.L.?

    R.E.A.L. is high-impact because it stands on the shoulders of research giants; it is a method that integrates and operationalizes what experts say works best in a variety of fields. For example, when it comes to SCIENCE OF TEACHING AND LEARNING, we use work of John Hattie, Ron Ritchhart (and all things Project Zero), Kath Murdoch, and Glenn Whitman. When it comes to EQUITY + INCLUSION, our practices build on recommendations by Zaretta Hammond (Protocols for Equity), Joe Feldman (Grading for Equity), and Rosetta Lee. Since conversation is highly social, we also use key WELLBEING studies (CASEL, Luthar, Yale CEL, Dweck, etc). Finally, the model is informed by FUTURE-OF-WORK research (Deming, WEF, McKinsey, etc.). If your teachers are familiar with any of this work, they will recognize how REAL operationalizes principles articulated in the research.

  • Do teachers have to use R.E.A.L. in my classroom after taking this course?

    Of course not, though 92% of participants to date have done so within six weeks. Our goal in our courses is to offer you a framework that we hope and expect you will adapt to fit your personal style and school context. All of our materials are IB-aligned and easily integrated with other popular curriculum.

  • How does R.E.A.L. relate to other discussion methods we already use at my school or in my department?

    R.E.A.L. is a set of skills, routines, and reflections that makes student-led discussion easier and deeper. For most teachers, it streamlines the logistical headaches of FishBowl one day, Harkness another, Socratic Seminar the next. For IB schools, R.E.A.L. offers a common language and shared routines for teachers to authentically integrate ATL skills into their units.

  • What's the most common negative feedback about R.E.A.L.?

    Some students bristle at the level of structure (though most appreciate it over time, especially as they find themselves surprised by the ease and depth of the discussions). Some teachers feel that the learning curve for students is too steep (which we have worked hard to address through solutions like an online, video-based orientation for students). Others wonder at the relevance of a system that relies on handwritten portfolios in the age of screens (we would respectfully refer those skeptics to the research, perhaps beginning with Mueller and Oppenheimer (2014) or Morehead, Dunlosky, and Rawson (2019)).

  • Is R.E.A.L. a silver bullet that solves centuries of struggle with student-led discussion?

    No, not at all! But it is a system that approaches discussion differently. Using a combination of lived classroom experience and research about conversation that extends beyond educational contexts, we have reverse-engineered a system that solves for common pain points and structures students for success. It doesn’t promise perfect discussions, but approaching Discussion as a Discipline does guarantee growth.

  • What does R.E.A.L. Training include?

    R.E.A.L. training has been designed by teachers, for teachers. There's a reason why 90% of our workshop alumni say it's in the top 3 best PD experiences of their career! Our Certification Course for Teachers includes 6 hours of instruction, based on classroom footage, and interactive exercises. We cover topics such as: >> Philosophical Basis in Discussion-Based Learning >> Common Language and Habits (Relate, Excerpt, Ask, Listen) >> Routines for making Discussion Visible >> Assessment: Support designing evidence-based, developmental tools for assessment >> Support aligning R.E.A.L. with your existing curriculum >> Access to global community of discussion-based learning leaders

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